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  • vulcanfly
    07-19 01:42 PM
    I have my I140 approved long back but I wanted to make sure that we can get 3 yr extensions if we file 485 extensions.





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  • msp1976
    03-03 08:29 PM
    Legal Immigrants in Limbo

    It is that time of the year again. Immigration reform is in the air. Recently, there were raids on many businesses and the resulting arrests were given wide publicity. The Bush administration is showing its zeal to pursue the 'illegal immigrants' and 'Undocumented workers' and enforce the immigration laws. The pro-immigration and anti-immigration organizations are ratcheting up their activities. One of the common refrains of the anti-immigration groups is 'If they want to come to this country, let them come legally'. So let us examine what the people trying to immigrate legally face.

    A significant number of the high skilled immigrants who immigrate to the United States are categorized by the existing immigration law as 'Employment Based' immigrants. We would refer to this as the EB immigration in this article. The EB immigrants constituted almost 22% of the total immigrants to United States in year 2005. The EB immigration process consists of four steps. There might be minor variations but the time periods for the processing described in this article remain very close to reality.
    1. Labor Certification - The US Department of Labor (DOL) administers this program. This process takes anywhere from 3 to 5 years. There are people in this queue who had applied for certification in 2001. Now imagine waiting that long for the first step. However, to its credit, the DOL has implemented a new program which has significantly reduced the time required for this process to less than 6 months. However, this program is beneficial to only those applicants who filed after December 2005.
    2. Immigrant Visa application - After obtaining the Labor Certification, the employer petitions the USCIS for approving the certified immigrant for permanent residency. This process can take anywhere between 1 to 10 months.
    3. Adjustment of Status - If a immigrant visa is available, (and there are only 140,000 that are available each year, with a cap of 7% of these per country) the USCIS then allows the immigrant to file for adjustment of status and if approved, formally grants permanent resident status more commonly referred to as the Green Card. It is during this stage that the immigrant is subjected to background checks by the FBI and medical checks by USCIS approved physicians. Currently, the FBI background checks are taking anywhere from 8 months to a whopping two years. Also, immigrants from countries like India and China which are the main source of high skilled immigrants find themselves unable to even file for the adjustment of status because of unavailability of visa numbers. Given the current scenario, it is unknown how long it will take for these immigrants to be able to file for adjustment of status, but it is very likely to exceed 4 to 5 years
    4. Citizenship – Five years after the Green Card is approved, the immigrant may apply for citizenship to the USCIS. At this stage, he has to undergo an additional background check, take a citizenship test before being eligible for approval.

    As can be seen from the description above, the whole process can take 5 to 10 years just to obtain the Green Card and an additional 5 years after that to obtain citizenship. There are people waiting to be sure of their status for even more than that. Given the uncertainty and lack of action from Congress to address the backlogs, some of the EB legal immigration applicants have come together and formed the organization http://immigrationvoice.org/. The goals include reduced waiting time for green card applications for EB immigrations, increased numbers for employment based green cards and ability to get certain benefits if the visa numbers are unavailable.

    Let me make clear what this wait entails. When you are working on a work permit like H-1B, your employer sponsors you for a particular position in the future as a part of the EB immigration process. What that means in reality is that your employer cannot promote you even if you are capable and the employer is willing. In the convoluted logic of EB immigration, if you get a promotion you have to start from step 1 again. That means you are back at the end of the 5 to 10 year queue. Also, spouses of the applicants are not allowed to work even if they are qualified until the primary applicant can file for adjustment of status. Now keep trying to explain to your spouse to keep his/her career on hold for 10 years. The net result of these impediments is that a large number of these people prefer going back to their countries of origin or other countries that offer easier and faster ways to obtain permanent residency and citizenship. That is a big loss to this country.

    And this is just for high-skilled and skilled workers, so our question and challenge to the anti-immigration lobby is ‘Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and pressure Congress to pass a Comprehensive Immigration Reform to ensure that people can immigrate to the United States legally in a reasonable amount of time?’

    United States is undergoing an unprecedented change in demographic situation. The Baby boomer generation consists of 77 million citizens born in the years 1946 to 1964. The leading edge of this generation is entering their 60s in 2006 and a large number of the baby boomers would start retiring soon. This is a double whammy to the US economy. Even now, the employers ranging from small businesses in the north-east to big corporations like Microsoft are facing serious labor shortages. When a large chunk of US labor force starts retiring every year, businesses are going to be even more hard pressed to find suitable workers. At the same time, the demands for social services from this large retiree population would keep growing. The US economy would find it harder and harder to support an ever larger population in need of Social services support. Unless something is done to deal with the coming labor crunch, United States is facing a huge economic and social services meltdown. The businesses would either fold in face of global competition or go where they can find labor that would allow them to be competitive leading to additional job cuts in the US. The immigration policy this country adopts would determine the future of this country. The only solution to deal with the labor crunch is to allow more employment based immigration.

    As mentioned earlier, the total number of Employment based immigrants allowed per year by current law is 140,000 and it also includes the dependents of these immigrants. This limit was established in the early 90s when population of United States was smaller and a lot younger. This number has to undergo a sharp upward revision to account for the coming demographic challenge this country is facing.

    The current immigration law has rules that prohibit immigration from any country in excess of 7% of the overall immigration. As far as employment based immigration is concerned, this limit is of 7% is illogical. Skills are not evenly distributed in the world and companies do not hire people based on the country they come from but for the skill set they possess to get the job done. As president Bush aptly described "It makes no sense to say to a young scientist from India, you can't come to America to help this company develop technologies that help us deal with our problems". This cap of 7% has caused the applicants from large countries like China and India to wait for years on end. As we all know, these countries are undergoing rapid growth. If the United States does not make an effort to retain this valuable human capital, those countries are going to benefit at United States’ cost.

    Every year, thousands of students from various countries come to the United States to pursue higher education. In a fairly large number of cases, the universities and various endowments provide financial aid to these students. It would make sense for United States to make an effort to retain this talent that has been educated in a large number of cases by the American taxpayers. It is a reality that the talent is sorely needed. Abolishing the country limits on the employment based immigration would make it easier to retain this talent and help ease the skilled labor crunch.

    The USCIS has serious issues in dealing with the magnitude of immigration benefits processing expected of the service. The Bush administration has made some not entirely successful attempts to improve the workings of the troubled federal agency. The United States does not become safer if an immigration benefits application sits entangled in a bureaucratic nightmare for years on end. The USCIS should be mandated to process all existing backlogs in a reasonable time frame and provided the resources and leadership to accomplish this goal.

    In the cacophony of anti-illegal immigration rhetoric, no one seems to be paying attention to the plight of the legal immigration applicants waiting for years for their applications to get processed. The United States is supposed to be the land of opportunity. The Congress should make an effort to ease the hardships of the people who have followed the law and are trying to immigrate legally so that these deserving immigrants also get a chance to pursue their American Dreams.





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  • waitingnwaiting
    05-31 08:26 AM
    ‘(C) qualified to be a candidate country due to special circumstances, including natural disasters or public health emergencies.

    ‘(2) ELIGIBLE ALIEN- The term ‘eligible alien’ means an alien who--

    ‘(A) has been lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence; and

    ‘(B) is a physician or other healthcare worker.

    ‘(c) Consultation- The Secretary of Homeland Security shall consult with the Secretary of State in carrying out this section.

    ‘(d) Publication- The Secretary of State shall publish--

    ‘(1) not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this section, a list of candidate countries;

    ‘(2) an updated version of the list required by paragraph (1) not less often than once each year; and

    ‘(3) an amendment to the list required by paragraph (1) at the time any country qualifies as a candidate country due to special circumstances under subsection (b)(1)(C).’.

    (2) RULEMAKING-

    (A) REQUIREMENT- Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall promulgate regulations to carry out the amendments made by this subsection.

    (B) CONTENT- The regulations promulgated pursuant to paragraph (1) shall--

    (i) permit an eligible alien (as defined in section 317A of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as added by paragraph (1)) and the spouse or child of the eligible alien to reside in a foreign country to work as a physician or other healthcare worker as described in subsection (a) of such section 317A for not less than a 12-month period and not more than a 24-month period, and shall permit the Secretary to extend such period for an additional period not to exceed 12 months, if the Secretary determines that such country has a continuing need for such a physician or other healthcare worker;

    (ii) provide for the issuance of documents by the Secretary to such eligible alien, and such spouse or child, if appropriate, to demonstrate that such eligible alien, and such spouse or child, if appropriate, is authorized to reside in such country under such section 317A; and

    (iii) provide for an expedited process through which the Secretary shall review applications for such an eligible alien to reside in a foreign country pursuant to subsection (a) of such section 317A if the Secretary of State determines a country is a candidate country pursuant to subsection (b)(1)(C) of such section 317A.

    (3) TECHNICAL AND CONFORMING AMENDMENTS-

    (A) DEFINITION- Section 101(a)(13)(C)(ii) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(13)(C)(ii)) is amended by adding at the end the following: ‘except in the case of an eligible alien, or the spouse or child of such alien, who is authorized to be absent from the United States under section 317A,’.

    (B) DOCUMENTARY REQUIREMENTS- Section 211(b) of such Act (8 U.S.C. 1181(b)) is amended by inserting ‘, including an eligible alien authorized to reside in a foreign country under section 317A and the spouse or child of such eligible alien, if appropriate,’ after ‘101(a)(27)(A),’.

    (C) INELIGIBLE ALIENS- Section 212(a)(7)(A)(i)(I) of such Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(7)(A)(i)(I)) is amended by inserting ‘other than an eligible alien authorized to reside in a foreign country under section 317A and the spouse or child of such eligible alien, if appropriate,’ after ‘Act,’.

    (D) CLERICAL AMENDMENT- The table of contents of such Act is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 317 the following:

    ‘Sec. 317A. Temporary absence of aliens providing health care in developing countries.’.

    (4) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There are authorized to be appropriated to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services such sums as may be necessary to carry out this subsection and the amendments made by this subsection.

    (d) Attestation by Health Care Workers-

    (1) ATTESTATION REQUIREMENT- Section 212(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(5)) is amended by adding at the end the following:

    ‘(E) HEALTH CARE WORKERS WITH OTHER OBLIGATIONS-

    ‘(i) IN GENERAL- An alien who seeks to enter the United States for the purpose of performing labor as a physician or other health care worker is inadmissible unless the alien submits to the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Secretary of State, as appropriate, an attestation that the alien is not seeking to enter the United States for such purpose during any period in which the alien has an outstanding obligation to the government of the alien’s country of origin or the alien’s country of residence.

    ‘(ii) OBLIGATION DEFINED- In this subparagraph, the term ‘obligation’ means an obligation incurred as part of a valid, voluntary individual agreement in which the alien received financial assistance to defray the costs of education or training to qualify as a physician or other health care worker in consideration for a commitment to work as a physician or other health care worker in the alien’s country of origin or the alien’s country of residence.

    ‘(iii) WAIVER- The Secretary of Homeland Security may waive a finding of inadmissibility under clause (i) if the Secretary determines that--

    ‘(I) the obligation was incurred by coercion or other improper means;

    ‘(II) the alien and the government of the country to which the alien has an outstanding obligation have reached a valid, voluntary agreement, pursuant to which the alien’s obligation has been deemed satisfied, or the alien has shown to the satisfaction of the Secretary that the alien has been unable to reach such an agreement because of coercion or other improper means; or

    ‘(III) the obligation should not be enforced due to other extraordinary circumstances, including undue hardship that would be suffered by the alien in the absence of a waiver.’.

    (2) EFFECTIVE DATE; APPLICATION-

    (A) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendment made by paragraph (1) shall take effect on the date that is 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.

    (B) APPLICATION BY THE SECRETARY- Not later than the effective date described in subparagraph (A), the Secretary of Homeland Security shall begin to carry out subparagraph (E) of section 212(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as added by paragraph (1), including the requirement for the attestation and the granting of a waiver described in clause (iii) of such subparagraph (E), regardless of whether regulations to implement such subparagraph have been promulgated.

    SEC. 3. NURSE TRAINING AND RETENTION DEMONSTRATION GRANT ACT OF 2008.

    (a) Findings- Congress makes the following findings:

    (1) America’s healthcare system depends on an adequate supply of trained nurses to deliver quality patient care.

    (2) Over the next 15 years, this shortage is expected to grow significantly. The Health Resources and Services Administration has projected that by 2020, there will be a shortage of nurses in every State and that overall only 64 percent of the demand for nurses will be satisfied, with a shortage of 1,016,900 nurses nationally.

    (3) To avert such a shortage, today’s network of healthcare workers should have access to education and support from their employers to participate in educational and training opportunities.

    (4) With the appropriate education and support, incumbent healthcare workers and incumbent bedside nurses are untapped sources which can meet these needs and address the nursing shortage and provide quality care as the American population ages.

    (b) Purposes of Grant Program- It is the purpose of this section to authorize grants to--

    (1) address the projected shortage of nurses by funding comprehensive programs to create a career ladder to nursing (including Certified Nurse Assistants, Licensed Practical Nurses, Licensed Vocational Nurses, and Registered Nurses) for incumbent ancillary healthcare workers;

    (2) increase the capacity for educating nurses by increasing both nurse faculty and clinical opportunities through collaborative programs between staff nurse organizations, healthcare providers, and accredited schools of nursing; and

    (3) provide training programs through education and training organizations jointly administered by healthcare providers and healthcare labor organizations or other organizations representing staff nurses and frontline healthcare workers, working in collaboration with accredited schools of nursing and academic institutions.





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  • gcformeornot
    07-31 11:27 AM
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  • Jaime
    09-22 03:45 PM
    This is easy, practical and may be more effective.
    Co-ordinate working round-the-clock (24 hours non-stop) wherever, in whatever organization/immigation community is working.Let it be coast-to-coast. let the work start as usual on friday morning at 8am and end at 8.am on saturday. Employers will be happy and we can win enormous support. Send simultaneous cards to uscis/law makers.

    Wow, nice idea....!!





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  • chanduv23
    10-05 11:20 AM
    Who is GOP?

    Government of Power?



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  • 485_spouse
    10-04 02:25 PM
    Which center did you apply and where did you send the supporting documents?

    Did you send it to the address generated on the receipt?

    Sorry for not replying earlier.
    We applied to NSC. Documents were sent to address generated on the recipet.
    As I wrote earlier, EAD was approved which was sent in the same folder.


    How do we create 'expediate request'? we are not planning to go out this year.
    How do I connect to IO directly? Service Reps are the call center are useless!!





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  • chi_shark
    01-13 03:22 PM
    this bulletin is great for eb2!



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  • pappu
    10-12 02:29 PM
    what a great resource - wonder why you did not post this before.

    all local media will be flooded with my emails :)

    Thanks nycgal369
    This resource and other resources were listed in the thread http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=694&page=6
    'ideas to increase publicity' but only few members took active interest and participated.

    Now that we have you, i am sure you would help in this effort by sending out emails yourself and also other members can join you to contact media. I wish we can all send multiple emails to every newspaper, every tv station and radio station in this country and apprise them of our cause. such letters urging news orgs to cover our issue will help us get much needed media attention and then something will DEFNITELY happen in the coming months.





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  • swadeshi
    06-26 01:24 PM
    According to my lawyer, the person (in this case your wife) must be in USA until your wife's AP application is accepted. Basically your wife should not try to apply AP when the she is not physically in USA.

    After the application acceptance, your wife can travel.

    Disclaimer: Please do not take this granted and always consult your immigration attorney.

    I would like to differ on this, the person applying for a renewal of AP does not have to be physically present in the US until the AP is approved. Our attorney confirmed this and if you notice on the AP application form it states if the document has to be mailed to a different address other than USA.

    Our attorney said one can apply for a renewal even from a different country, the clause that one has to be physically present in US is only for the initial I485 and AP application.

    I have applied for AP renewal on June 23rd and am traveling next month to India for 2 months will be back before my current AP expires i.e. Oct 10th. My attorney actually asked me to apply for renewal before I leave for India.



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  • shx
    03-19 02:54 AM
    And you are defending a guy who has committed shop-lifting with this? You should have probably come out with more ammunition than this. Because of ppl like the OP and maybe you, we Indians are getting a really bad rep everywhere. I am sick and tired of defending our community, when ppl like you and the OP defend (or even condone, in the name of an immigration query) such acts with no compunction. Shame on the OP and for defending him, YOU!

    OP, please get lost from this forum and from this country. This country is not for criminals like you (there are enough already). I wish you had gotten a stricter sentence than what you got. And those of you that want to defend the OP or the folks that condone such acts, in the name of immigration, dont need to lecture me on taking this stance - just get lost, will ya!

    I wish the Admins delete this thread and not encourage such postings!

    Did my post suggest in any way that I was defending the guy? I was only ridiculing those who were bad mouthing him.

    Are you suggesting that my post would have scored more points if I came out with more ammunition? I did not post in order to win your accolades. The fact that you felt there is not enough ammunition, suggests to me that you think it is perfectly fine to do all those filthy things I was referring to. This tells me about your moral standard.

    You had to assume that I probably have a criminal issue too, and thats why I was defending the original poster? Is that the best your mind can think of?

    You are sick and tired of defending our community? Do you imply that most people from our community have turned to criminal acts these days, and so you are tired? Because, I have not seen that around the people that I move around with. Is it all too common in your circles and the people you associate with?

    You most probably have half the education that I have, your salary is most likely half that of mine, and your moral standard is probably half that of mine. If I start ridiculing you more, you will suffer sleepless nights. So I won't do it (after this post, I mean).

    You don't post bullshit in a public forum, just because you can't see the people you are talking to, infront of you. Would you dare call the original poster 'thief' if he is standing infront of you? Would you call him that, if he is a friend of your roommate and your roommate brings him over to your house? The internet must be a new technology for you. Please learn how to use it to spread some love.

    To the poster above you:
    It is true that the law does not impose punishments on backstabbers, womanizers, sexual perverts, etc. Prostitution is legal in a lot of countries. The fact that the law permits some things, does not have any bearing on the moral severity or the lack thereof, of those things. Would you choose a 'prostitute' over a 'shop lifter' for a wife? If these are the only 2 options, I would be content with a shop lifter. Would you choose a 'prostitute' because there are no criminal issues involved and you will get your greencard faster?

    Even though not many people have posted in support of my post, my reputation has gone up, and yours probably went down. Please don't respond just because you want a revenge.

    I will always stand up for the one weak guy who is bullied by a 100 really nice & powerful ones. This can't be called defending the act of 'shop lifting' !!!





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  • SGP
    02-15 05:25 PM
    Mr. GC_Rip,

    Your are definitely a EB2 worth candidate. A company willing to support you and a good attorney is all you want. There are plenty who have qualified for EB2 with these qualifications.

    Instead of MS, look for a good consultancy or a perm job which will do the trick for you. I do know/understand that it is hard to get consulting jobs and maintaining visa's for family members but look at the bright side, labor nowadays takes only about 3 weeks and 140 if you apply through PP, then you are talking 2 weeks again. You have a possibility to get out of this mess.

    If kids from college gets into EB2 and gets GC in two years, You sure do sir...

    OK now to members who think I am wrong can bash me but this is what I believe in, if a system can tie you down with stupid rules and no accountability on its workers, I am ok with a deserving candidate cutting the line ahead and getting his GC. Hail common sense.

    Hi Bhasky25 : Please pardon my ignorance, but could you please advise in which state is the labor getting approved in 3 weeks? I am asking you this as I switched employers & I will be filing for labor certification in Mid Mar 2011 in CA. This information will be very helpful to me. Thanks.

    _________________
    If you will be benefited by �I-485 filing without current priority Date�, please vote YES on the Poll.
    Then please send an email to ivcoordinator@gmail.com with subject - "I485 filing without current PD - Impacted Member". Include your 1) IV username 2) Email address 3) Ph#, 4) State of Residence, 5)Priority Date so that grassroot efforts can be coordinated. Please refer to the first post on the thread and use the flier,talk to your friends/colleagues to spread the message.We need all members to get involved



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  • mannan74
    08-15 06:43 PM
    Applied for EAD extension on July 08-2008 (expiring on Sep 30-08), less than 90 days. Got a 2 year extension in Mail Aug-14-2008 (Approval date Aug 07-2008).

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  • chanduv23
    05-13 02:20 PM
    you will come acros these Jerks ..barely educated with BA music or Art degress or just some schooling and sitting as managers..what else can they do..abuse other people...prey on the weak..weak because we are on Visa...
    they dont get any certification or any skills but however they want all the benefits/promotion..etc.

    In such situation...dont let the situatuion grow..you need to change your gruop/company and remind the manager that they need to stick to rules..be diplomatic.If you are diplomatic and sensible in dealing with such cases..you will come out a winner..

    Dont forget to complain to the HR about this person ...as this is a recurring pattern...then they will have a record of the persons behaviour

    Yes, please do this. When I did it, I was not diplomatic and I believed people, but if you have some diplomacy, you can work it out for your own good.

    As per my first post - the person though is an Indian, she is a US citizen. You all can now understand what kind of backlash is driving the politicians.

    FArom all this we must understand that Grassroot advocacy is not going to be an easy task and there is a long way to go. More people, more funding, more support, more reach, more skills.





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  • mhathi
    05-13 05:33 PM
    This whole discussion is really silly... I'm glad IV leadership is not self centered, atleast from what i see they think about the community on the whole.

    Lets put all these fruitless arguments to rest... the ROW vs India/China, Nurses vs Others, EB1 vs EB2 vs EB3!

    I'm EB3 India and I have no one to blame but me for being in EB3 (I'm certainly qualified to be in EB2 but I chose to stick around with the same company for the very reason we all are here on this forum... i.e GC)

    For those who think its unfair... rather then sulking about it... do something and move to EB2 if you cant wait any longer... or at least support IV in their efforts.

    Well Said! Being someone else stuck in EB3India despite having a US masters, I have come to the same conclusion, and after July Fiasco, was convinced that IV is indeed the only organization that is doing something for us. I have supported IV in whatever I could since then.

    Guys, I do believe IV is the only fighting chance we have, debating on this forum and demanding "justice" or whatever from USCIS is not going to get us anything.



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  • msp1976
    10-16 10:50 AM
    I thought i wouldn't marry till i get ma GC coz i didn't wanna gal to come n rot here without a job being on H4.
    but now i've gotten so freakin old waitin for the GC n still waitin that i might not get a gal to marry.:eek: :eek:
    well there are always other things to do for a H4 ..
    At present My wife on her H4 is pursuing her Master's degree ... I donot need to tell you that I got a deep hole in my pocket..
    Also I have heard some H4 spouses doing volunteering work..
    Also you can have kids and get another piece of 'work' out of the way...If anyone has more ways of making the better of the situation let me know...
    :p :D :cool: :cool: ;) :D





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  • n_2006
    06-25 02:11 PM
    H1 was approved some time last year and H1B started from 10/1/2006.

    Can employee start working without SSN? My wife received H1 approval around Oct 2006 and we applied for SSN in Nov 2006. We received it by end of Feb 2007. From March 07 we got pay stubs.

    People who switched from F2/H4 to H1 can consider their SSN application time as valid status. Right?





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  • UKannan
    05-23 09:22 AM
    Is there anyway to get the I140 Approval or at least the Receipt # other than that off thru employer?





    GCVivek
    03-10 12:50 PM
    The poor response is because we are not together and we truly do not believe in our goal. With the assumption that 90% of IV members are Indians, I can safely say this is innate in our culture - we want to get the benefit without working for it AND once we get the benefit, we give a damn about the rest of "them". :mad:

    IV community, do you think there is anything we can learn from the Wisconsin gatherings??????????? They are able to mobilize 50,000 people or more in a matter of hours and days. IV campaign for 200 people is running for over a month! And as per the core team, we are yet to reach that number...............

    BTW, before anyone takes up arguments over WI issues, you are focusing on the wrong issue. I am only interested in the number of people that are mobilized, and why is it that we cannot do the same.

    Why is it a letter/FB/twitter can generate thousands of people to come out and protest, while the same newsletter/FB/twitter has had such a poor response for us. Are we not motivated enough? Or do we not actually care for the GC? Or do we get pleasure in just complaining? :confused: :mad:





    saimrathi
    07-09 01:08 PM
    I saw the thread about the negative comments on Fox... Can you please direct me to MSNBC's coverage on this?

    Mainstream media seem to be cautious about these issues as it may work against their self interests.

    I am still surprised that CNN did not pick this though MSNBC (did a positive) and FOX (Did a negative) on this



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